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 Topic: Microsoft Zune stealing market from CreativeGo to page << |
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 Joined: Thu May 10 (2007) 11:26PM Posts: 108 | gjr5017 wrote ... Why do you feel bad for Creative? They havn't released a good player since the ZVM as a legitimate player for anyone who needs more than 8 GB of room. The Zune is a fantastic player and I like it even more than my ZVM (which I gave to my girlfriend). you have a point there... Green ZEN Vision:M EP-630 earphones HD 201 Sennheiser Headphones ZVM Skin | ||
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| HipHopScribe |
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  Joined: Sat Mar 04 (2006) 10:17AM Posts: 2204 | "stealing" market? Did they force Creative to stop releasing impressive products? "Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" | ||
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| Dominic |
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 Joined: Fri Apr 07 (2006) 08:31PM Posts: 1222 | Yeah, I'm with you there HHS.. it seems to me that Creative are freely handing market share over to whoever wants it, not only in the united states but worldwide too. | ||
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| nbollinger |
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 Joined: Sat Apr 12 (2008) 01:22PM Posts: 10 | I was actually teetering between the Zune 4gb/8gb or the Zen. I wanted a flash based mp3 player. I ended up with the Zen and I'm considering dumping it for a Zune due to the annoying fact that I have to sit and wait for videos to convert. That was one feature I adored on my ZVM. As a few posts above, its apparent people prefer higher capacity than what the current flash based mp3 players offer. I still think 32gb will fit 95% of the users just fine but the current price isn't feasible for a flash based player. Why pay $300 for 32gb in a flash based player when you can get more than double the capacity for $50 less and then some. Pros of the Zen to the Zune 4gb/8gb Gorgeous 2.5" 16.7m screen SD Card expansion (limited due to poor implementation of it software-wise) Can be used with 3rd party apps Sound Quality Can be found with 16gb/32gb capacities Pros of the Zune 4gb/8gb to the Zen Wireless Easier menu system (This is more of a preferences thing. I find I can navigate a zune a whole lot quicker and with less button presses than I do with my Zen). Supports one handed operation a lot easier Supports most video files without conversion Sound is on par with the Zen Their Social network is really going to be a plus for most users (Think of myspace for mp3 players) Smaller (if size is everything) Zune all around is more friendly when using the actual device than the Zen. Currently using: Creative Zen 4gb Creative Zen Nano Plus 1gb | ||
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| gunforhire |
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Joined: Fri Jan 11 (2008) 07:58PM Posts: 24 | Creative had it coming. They really need to work on the usability of their products, there's just to many hoops to jump though. For instance, my Zen, I had to manually embed album art into my tracks because their software won't do it automatically. Video conversion is a [censored] as has been mentioned. The UI on the Zen is a bit confusing, and the actual quality of the hardware itself is lacking. My 16GB Zen has been fine from when I got it around January, but now the battery life is really tailing off to the point where I'm probably getting 8 hours to a charge, with the screen brightness way down. Disappointing, but they have nobody to blame but themselves. Unless their next player is a hell of a lot better I'll be going the Zune route. | ||
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| The DarkSide |
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 Joined: Sun Jan 06 (2008) 11:34PM Posts: 1673 | As for the Zen Vs Zune - certain things are a matter of personal taste. The software for the Zune (though since the update that may have changed) really sucked. As an overall device the Zune ROCKS (IMO). The only way Creative has a chance is to start making products that are better quality and that they (finally) will support 100%. Since they keep half-assing and then arguing with their customers I feel that their losing market share is a self-inflicted ailment. MS has nothing to do w/creative. I sold my Zen 32 because as good as it was it really left a lot to be desired. I'm waiting to see if the X-Fi is a redeeming offering by them. If not then I'll just come back to epiZENter.net for the great company. Moto DROID/Toshiba Gigabeat F40/Samsung P3/Archos 5 & 404 iPod Mini-RB/iPod 5.5G-RB/Creative ZV:M/Sansa Fuze Shure SRH750DJ/ATH-M50/Sony MDR-V900HD Sony MDR-V6/Altec Lansing BackBeat Pro UHP606/Panasonic HTX7 | ||
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| Raider Red |
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  Joined: Mon Jul 10 (2006) 12:57PM Posts: 3272 | but the thing about market share is that it says what % they have, not how many they're selling. Creative could actually be selling more than they did last year, but the Zune still sold more. With a market share pct, it's impossible to tell if they're actually taking any away or stimulating the purchase of more. Formerly known as brahmasoccer09 Texas Tech University Class of 2013- Computer Engineering ZEN Vision M 30GB, Zii EGG, Vado HD Owner, ZiiEGG.com and Tech in Hiding. Have a look. Xbox Live | Steam | Twitter | Facebook | ||
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Joined: Sun Jan 06 (2008) 11:34PM Posts: 1673 | This is especially true as Creative sells world wide and Zune is mainly US at the moment. Average it out and the Zune doesn't even scratch the creative sales percentage. Besides, who really cares as long as you get a player that fits your needs, I had only 2 reasons why I returned my Zune: 1)No EQ - self explanatory. 2)The steps for volume control are 2 limited - need more as 0-20 is not sufficient. Either 0-30 or better 0-40. #10 might be too low & #11 may be too loud. Now think about it, creative would never have had most of their problems if they would treat their customers better (new as well as long-standing). The SDHC card crap is just 1 example. At least MS is trying - still no eq and better volume control - but I'll give them time before I prob go back myself (unless, as I mentioned before, the X-Fi really ROCKS!!!). The Zune has the ability to be better then my D2 - I REALLY hope they get on their game!!! And the issue of overall capacity is a non-issue to me. Moto DROID/Toshiba Gigabeat F40/Samsung P3/Archos 5 & 404 iPod Mini-RB/iPod 5.5G-RB/Creative ZV:M/Sansa Fuze Shure SRH750DJ/ATH-M50/Sony MDR-V900HD Sony MDR-V6/Altec Lansing BackBeat Pro UHP606/Panasonic HTX7 | ||
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| nbollinger |
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Joined: Sat Apr 12 (2008) 01:22PM Posts: 10 | gunforhire wrote ... Creative had it coming. They really need to work on the usability of their products, there's just to many hoops to jump though. For instance, my Zen, I had to manually embed album art into my tracks because their software won't do it automatically. Video conversion is a [censored] as has been mentioned. The UI on the Zen is a bit confusing, and the actual quality of the hardware itself is lacking. My 16GB Zen has been fine from when I got it around January, but now the battery life is really tailing off to the point where I'm probably getting 8 hours to a charge, with the screen brightness way down. Disappointing, but they have nobody to blame but themselves. Unless their next player is a hell of a lot better I'll be going the Zune route. You need Media Monkey or Tagrunner for tagging. Tagrunner is strictly for tagging but it includes a lyrics search. Tagrunner isn't free as well. Mediamonkey is free, great music organizer, and it can tag all your media files for you except lyrics. Currently using: Creative Zen 4gb Creative Zen Nano Plus 1gb | ||
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| ltTHREE |
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 Joined: Mon Oct 22 (2007) 08:14PM Posts: 3624 | steal is a horrible word. MS cut out EQ to save Batt Life becuz of the WiFi. They should figure out a way to disable WiFi when not in use or sumthin. Like the PSP Slim WiFi Switch  | ||
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| CardsFan |
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 Joined: Wed May 31 (2006) 07:42PM Posts: 4240 | Capacity has become less of an issue for me as well. More important is the codecs the player will play. With the Touch I've learned to deal with smaller memory space I was told my sig was too long so I made it shorter. Iphone 32GB... do I need anything else? | ||
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| Bosconias |
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 Joined: Thu Apr 19 (2007) 12:51AM Posts: 3697 | Honestly, I do not feel sorry for Creative Labs. They pretty much brought this upon theirselves. And then there was that whole Daniel_K thing, and the lawsuit... To be honest, (and kind of off topic)I find my Archos 605 30GB to be a great ZV:M30GB replacement, lol. Has a little more features*, Supports more Audio and Video files**, bigger and better screen, comes in lower and higher HD capacities. SD support (for the 4GB model). And a few other things. *&**: Of course, Archos likes to nickle and dime your ass for the extra features and file support. | ||
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| gjr5017 |
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 Joined: Sat Oct 28 (2006) 12:58AM Posts: 1518 | moorey wrote ... gjr5017 is 100% right (except to 32GB rather then 8GB) Well 32 GB for 350 dollars or whatever it is, still isnt good....yea its flash and the higher price with a higher capacity is expected but when you want a lot of space you can get 80 GB for 250 from either apple or microsoft I don't see why not? And the SD card slot is pointless until they actually get full SD integration. Dell DJ Ditty 512 MB Black Creative Zen Stone 1 GB Black Microsoft Zune 80 GB Sansa Clip 1 GB Cowon S9 32GB + Westone 1 = Love My Last.fm | ||
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 Joined: Sun Apr 30 (2006) 09:58PM Posts: 689 | LT3 wrote ... steal is a horrible word. MS cut out EQ to save Batt Life becuz of the WiFi. They should figure out a way to disable WiFi when not in use or sumthin. Like the PSP Slim WiFi Switch you can turn off WiFi under Settings. [ image disabled ] | ||
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 Joined: Wed Jun 14 (2006) 02:21PM Posts: 1826 | duckie008 wrote ... QFTPeople have bought the Zune because they wanted more HD capacity but didn't want an iPod. I don't think they bought one because it had Wi-fi either. This proves again that high capacity HD players are in demand. Let this teach you a good lesson Creative for abandoning HD. | ||
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