It's about time! I like interface. After pressing the buttons on the current X-Fi, your hands hurt and some of the buttons don't have much functions, so having a touch screen is much better. Hey, they forgot to include HD Radio feature on the Zune

So, new Zens, Zunes & iPods are launching this fall.
[ edited Sep 02 (2009) 12:48PM ]

Is the screen capacitive?

Really, only a 262k color display? Otherwise, it looks like a hit.

Creative really did surprise me with this, lol. I thought the newer Vado HD was the big announcement. While it's not the Creative Zii touch (or whatever it's to be called), it's still a nice looking player.

The only prob I see in that video is that they still don't get the whole SD integration thing. Importing songs isn't integration. The ability for the songs to be played off the card itself but integrated with the onboard memory is integration
[ edited Sep 02 (2009) 01:35PM ]

Yeah, that to me is true integration. It seems like Creative can only do that one player at a time. lol. From the ZEN > ZEN MX > ZEN X-Fi2
[ edited Sep 02 (2009) 01:42PM ]

The info page says Mac and ITunes users "can easily drag and drop your favorite music tracks (including AAC DRM-free) onto the ZEN X-Fi2 without any additional software installation, all thanks to the MP3 player's mass storage class capability." I wonder if this means this player will show up on as a recognized storage-device within Itunes like the Muvo? That's great for cross-platformers like me.

Pros: touchscreen means good riddance to Zen/X-Fi's terrible navigation tools. Widescreen we've wanted since the Vision:W's demise. As always, good price points (although not perhaps best value, compared to a Zune).

Concerns: I'll have to wait and see whether the codec support brings us back to the Vision:M, or has strict size restrictions like the Zen/X-fi. The lack of browser or wi-fi is a definite downer. I would have liked SDHC cards rather than microSD. And what about HD compatibility? C'mon, at least give me 720.

Overall, this product just seems to be in a nether region -- it's not a competitor to its touch-screen price peers (including the Zii); and it's too much for a audiophile who just needs a $60 Sansa Clip+. It MIGHT finally be the Vision:M successor we've been waiting for, but will have to provide more details first.
[ edited Sep 02 (2009) 01:54PM ]

it looks slow :/

IM going to stick with Capacative touch screens.

It got an embarrassing review on engadget.com this afternoon....looks like i'll be staying FAR away from this one.

It's not that I don't trust Engadget, but
A) The X-Fi 1 was pretty slow. Mine still is, but it's completely bearable. Not faster than an iPod Touch perhaps, but waaaay faster than my BlackJack II.
B) I don't trust Engadget. They tend to sensationalize to get more pageviews, and this is a good example. I'll wait untili someone here and/or at a reputable site like CNET hand down their verdict.

I don't want to sound negative but what does this do that Sony's and Cowon's doesn't...besides being less expensive. It's an okay start but certainly won't "woo" anyone away from the Touch...or from the above offerings...guess we'll have to see what the Egg turns out to be.

You only have to look at the name of the player to see one thing this does that those don't. You could make the same argument about any Creative player vs Sony's or Cowon's bunch.

@brahmasoccer

I agree that Engadget tends to oversenationalize their stories sometimes, but they had video attached which showed the X-Fi "in action" (or lack thereof).

But I do have to question why this player was released so quietly (even for Creative standards)...I mean, releasing a new MP3 player in the same month when the new iPods & Zune are coming out shows once again how poorly executed product launches are at Creative.

I don't feel this player was meant to be on the level of an iPod touch or Zune HD. When Creative feels they have something big they defintiely let everyone know about it, as indicated by the Zii EGG announcement. The ZEN X-Fi2 is not a touch competitor in my view.

not for me, seems like a downgrade after seeing the zii. this release makes the sight o a zii even farther away.
I guess creative is not getting my money.

has Creative really abandoned support to MPEG-1? i know it's a low resolution format but given that many TV Cards can create MPEG-1 and 2 files, it would be nice to have either format supported for convenience sake.

it seems that Zii EGG wont support the old MPEG formats either. that's a deal breaker for me. i wanna give Creative my money but i might have to hand it to Cowon....

btw, is there a frame size restriction on this new XF-2 player? having to convert a video just because the frame is 8 pixels bigger is pretty lame.

wow. I think this is a good addition to Creative's line of players. Good improvement over the X-Fi. Yeah it doesn't have a browser, but it never claimed to be an iPod Touch competitor (really because NOBODY has even had an inckling this was on its way). No wonder the Zii has taken so long. We all thought they were focusing all of their effort on the Zii. I guess they haven't put ALL of their EGGs in one basket.....
[ edited Sep 02 (2009) 04:30PM ]

Oops
[ edited Sep 02 (2009) 04:22PM ]

And not one iota better than that. 1 year too late, and much too little. Compare it to pretty much any of the competition and you'll find that...

Screen: Poor
Battery Life: Horrid
SD integration: Still useless [the f*cking Sansa Clip+ even does it better than Creative!]
Sound Quality: At or below average

The only reasons to get this thing are if you want a Zen UI above all else, you really want X-Fi, or you're a Creative fanboy beyond help.
Unless they put the price for this thing at the same level as the Coby and Memorex touchscreen players. Those are its real competition.

they really shouldn't say it has sd card integration because it doesn't, they could be sued for saying so.
they should just say you can transfer all files from the sd card to the player to integrate them to the main library which is not the same. and definitely a deal breaker. if they didn't integrated again it makes me think they just don't know how to do it or they are using the same system module of the old zen x-fi which prevented them to do it.

@mp3n00b

They are good at releasing the big stuff (See ZV:M, MicroPhoto releases at CES), but IFA is a smaller scale than CES. It's the only real way that they can announce stuff between CES and Christmas with any real press.

Also, I just noted in the video that the guy said this was "right off the plane from Singapore", and there would be a few more firmware updates before release. Perhaps the speed issue will be fixed?

This player could be beaten any day by a large number of Chinese rip-offs...sorry, Creative, but this is lagging BIGTIME. Looks like Zen X-Fi tech with a touch screen

just imagine a Chinese company making some player with the zii chip they could buy from creative, meaning those crappy chinese knock-offs would be much better than the players the company that sells them the hardware is making.

the irony

they are making the zii to sell to others, but they spend the time/money/resources to develop a similar product at the same time? seems like a foolish move. should focus all the attention on the zii at this point.

i'll be glad when this touchscreen phase fades away. a 262k screen is completely ridiculous. plus its slow.

Yes. i look at things from a normal consumer point of view. it looks shit and i won't be going anywhere near it.

Lol the release price on this is less than the X-Fi 1's..

Whatever..to me its the same product..

Hey! I just noticed that they used my Zii EGG pic during the demo of the RRS feed feature - Sweet!

they didn't, they used the engadget feed, engadget were the ones who used your pics, they actually are all over the internet. I found them in at least 5 websites, most of them only mention epizenter though.

Well it's still his pic, which is really cool
[ edited Sep 03 (2009) 12:02AM ]

Actually it's our community's pic... Which is even cooler - IMO

...it has flac support!...
...thats a huge step...
...oh and a "little birdy"...
...who in the past has told me "reliable things"...
...tells me this exists for the purposes of...
...a)getting rid of some zen x-fi parts they cant use for anything else...
...b)giving the zen user interface one last hoorah before plaszma takes over...
...c)testing the waters for touchscreen demand...
...
...take that for what you will...

oh cool so this will slot right under the zii egg. for those who want a pmp that doesnt get weighed down on price and what people will call unecessary features. I was wondering if they would do that and here it is.

wonder if they will make a zii pmp with less features. after all, something that has 'everything' is sure to cost more.

Still think the chrome sucks arse. - needs more buttons

can't wait for the zen x-fi 2 plus with 32 and 64 gb with wifi

whose buying it?


[ edited Sep 03 (2009) 08:11AM ]

the music was good for 10 secs until it looped erggh. video was rather disappointing. im not entirely impressed with the icons and the background just seemed exaggerate that more. It does seem laggy and that could be a dealbreaker for some.

whats the deal with the sd integration??? transferred? that hardly seems to be what people are wanting with integration. It certainly doesn't help the zii if its like this.

looks like they are just using whats leftover and using their old tech that is seeminly not able to "integration" slapped on with a touchscreen. These are definitely aimed at people who dont know how to press buttons.

zen x-fi is great but the touchscreen isn't something that will make me jump up and get it.

it would have been better if there was touchscreen and tactile support. then they wouldn't really fail.

Still, $229 for 32gb.. and no wifi.. Hmm.. me waits and sees Creative burn through more cash before something good comes along. Clearly this new player is 1 year behind technology-wise from the new Zune HD player.. no HD radio, no HD video out.. I'm going to guess crappy codec/resolution support as well, although new media is coalescing around 720p resolutions as many tv video rips are coding there @ around 1500-2500kbit rate but not having backwards compatability is a deal breaker for me. From the video-- I agree, sd integration is COPYING files to the player from memory cards.
IMO, this won't make the shelves of Walmart, Best Buy, Target, Kmart/Sears, Fry's etc.. There'd have to be very aggressive pricing just to keep even die hard faithful interested. Apparently the learning curve for this company is slower than anticipated.

Oh, though they would be releasing a Zii with plasma OS but not so. Samsung, Cowon and Sony have models that blow the XFi2 away and thay are cheaper.

Oh well, Zii Egg may never come so I will be watching zi Apple for zi future cos I can't vait any longer for Zii Egg to hatch.

I think I get it now. The Zen Xfi 2 is actually Creative's new player. The Zii Egg is a concept which Creative will sell to developers who will produce their versions of the Zii. Creative may take some kind of royalty, much like IBM with the PC. So hopefully, Apple may see the benefit of this chip and start producing the ipod Zii or something smilar, (would explain why the Zii looks a little like an iphone). Much like what happened with the MP3 player concept.

bushboy, if you saw the videos of the zii egg you can see that the plaszma OS is not yet ready, they even released a roadmap where it says when developers can expect different things to be added to the OS.
How can you expect them to release the zii if the software for it is not ready and won't be for the rest of 2009?
We were all hoping for a zii announcement but after the roadmap, it became clear it was not coming any time soon. This device, on the other hand, came out of the blue.
Like I said before, and one of rama's contact people said, this device is and update to the x-fi and as that, it's ok, not as a standalone or compared to other devices out there; seems to be meant to get rid of all the zen parts they have left in their warehouses which is something they might not be able to do by selling the zen for yet another year.

normally creative has something big for CES, so I'd keep an eye on that if I were you. According to the roadmap they'll plan to finish the OS by the end of the year and we can only expect some apps made by developers by then as well, which gives us a pretty big possibility of the zii consumer edition to show up on january at CES'10
[ edited Sep 03 (2009) 11:34PM ]

the only thing I can say from the videos would be that they better improve the UI ... very quickly...

as for the "integration" thingy, i can see SOME situation where that can be useful (no USB and yes SD card slot...HMMMM....what are the odds)

...this bumps up the resolution fomr the zen and x-fi...
...has a touch screen...
...has tv out...
...has the usual great codec support...
...i.e. everything everyone asked for in a "zvm succesor"...
...but because they have seen the egg, people are dis-satisfied...
...oh the irony...

looks like they are doing some minor refreshing. e.g the ep ear phones, the x-fi 2, vado hd. hopefully keeping the money stream coming in whilst they focus on the zii/plaszma platform.

what else is next... an update to those x-fi cans with noise cancellation and better battery life? would be nice
i would have bought it had there been better battery life.

anyone knows what is the maximum resolution of videos it can play?

640x480

640X480? so it wont play the 720p mp4s i have by just dropping them in?

...you were expecting it too?...

at a comparable price premium to the competition...
in a quick word yes.. that's called innovation, something Creative must have lost when they sold their headquarters to survive as a company-- or the developers have amnesia of what made the ZVM somewhat successful in the first place.

these smart processors in PMPs are approaching 1ghz cpu power so they can do HD video at reasonable bit rates. so, why not have HD radio, HD video-out, and expansive codec support? these are multiple reasons why Creative won't be sold on USA retail store shelves anymore.. companies who want their products sold INNOVATE and push the envelope. Not everything Apple did had to be 100% successful.

this player just cost S$1 more than the Ipod Nano in Singapore. And the battery life is 1 hour longer than the Ipod Nano. If the interface is smoother I will definately get this, but for now.. im waiting for a zii player for the consumer.

edited:
I just realise this player $20 cheaper than the Ipod Nano in US?

[ edited Sep 04 (2009) 09:12PM ]

It's everything we've been asking for in a ZVM successor for two years. The only reason we've kept on talking about basic things is because Creative has failed to implement them. Now that they have - a year late - we're looking at the whole package, and it's very disappointing.

@rama: well, i was hoping it'd be like the zvm or zvw where it didn't need to convert anything i dropped in it just to watch a tv show or movie.

but now that the xfi1 is dropping in price, which one is more worth the money? a 32gb zfi1 is going for 200 right now...

Ok, I just realized why the X-Fi 2 is a touchscreen model... after making the X-fi 1, Creative ran out of buttons.

^ LOOOOL Alcalde, Nice ONE!

a bit late this time..

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