...^_^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

"the overly-saturated iTunes App store might make writing apps for the Zii a more attractive proposition"

Yeah...don't count on it.

First you're competing with the fact the iPod/iPhone already has millions of customers in place. Then you have a mature SDK already available. Then you have the OTHER available platforms like Android (which COULD be this players platform) and The Palm Pre.

Even if you get past the first hurdle it's all down to fashion...Nokia already had HUNDREDS of millions of their S60 phones out there in peoples hands and all development of apps came to a standstill as every week the community had to put up with the hype over the latest killer iPhone app.

For example the BBC decided it was a bigger priority to get it's iPlayer working on a few hundred thousand iPhones than the several million S60 smart phones already out there. Last.fm abandoned their promised S60 client and had a Last.fm player ready for the iPhone/iPod Touch as soon as the app store opened...the same with Facebook and Ebay. To them it didn't matter that their app would reach MORE people on the S60 platform, the hype was behind the iPhone/iPod and you HAD to be seen to be taking part.

THEN you're competing with iTunes. Not the software which we all agree sucks, but the seamless integration. How will apps be delivered to this player? how would a developer monetize their app?

If you look at my comment history you'll see I abandoned ship sometime back in Dec 07 and got a Zune, then moved on to the iPod Touch...

I still have the same reservations about Apple as I did back then...but in this space, unlike the classic iPod vs the ZVM, Apple has the edge. When it comes to straight PMP Apple never had the edge before in terms of the player...they were just better at marketing. But now we're dealing with slabs of metal and plastic with rectangular screens...there's not much room to distinguish yourself. Just look...it looks like an iPod...and there's not much you COULD do to make it look different. So it comes down to the software, and in this case a head start REALLY makes the difference. I personally would not want to lose all the money i've spent on apps thus far. For this to be any good for me it would need to improve on the Safari browser as a minimum. hopefully they get Opera on board.

Creative's best bet is to, as is rumoured, run android on this as there will be a ready made market for apps, and developers. But what is the word on android running on the Zii chip?

If it runs Android, people will buy it. If not, then God save us all.

...it was demonstrated running on the zii chip a long time ago in barcelona...
...displaying HD output to television and advanced graphical tasks...

Well, I am saving up money now!

This sounds interesting. Finally something new and exciting from creative and something zii related.
Imagine an x-fi player with vado hd inside and a zii chip to manage all fast and easily and to support many audio and video formats natively.
I hope they have something really nice up their sleeve, they have to if they want this player to be a hit. The apps thing would be great, I think the only thing the iphone and the itouch have better than other player out there is the apps, I mean it brings lots and lots of entertainment and functionality to the player, things that the company that develops the product doesn't have to spend time nor resources in making which makes it a win win situation, they offer an open source product that people can personalize the way they want it and share it with others.
Remember that software that they conceptualize to be able to change the UI of the player? I think this is the time to do that. ALL their software should be nicely integrated into the Media Source Organizer so that we can have an itunes alternative, but at the same time let us drag and drop files just like with all their players so far (in that way it would be easier to transfer files in computers that are not ours or also for those who don't like using software or don't like MSO)
I'm excited!!!!!!
Who says September is if not the release, at least the announcement?
They have to beat Apple and Microsoft to the game, Apple always releases something in September, sometimes something as stupid as new colors but still they sell those ipods like hot cakes, the upcoming ZuneHD which sounds great is also coming September. Creative has to release the player before or at the same time they do so that the capabilities of the Zii chip can be demonstrated and get more companies interested in it. and of course people willing to buy this zii player rather than the zunehd or whatever ipod is coming up.

Wow, it's nice waking up to this news. I'm really excited for this

@Bosambo: They officially announced that Android runs on the Zii:
[Linky]
They also have a demo on their site.

Remember the Zen Share? Never quite made it. And the ZVM? Creative did not know how to develop this further like the Apple did with the ipod. They could have made it thinner, wifi and bluetooth, x-fi with a 3 inch wide screen and add AAC and FLAC included. Instead we got the Zen then the Zen x-fi and that Mosaic thing (what's the deal with the navigation buttons on the x-fi?) but you either build on a sucessful product or replace it with something better. Ipod have players with capacities of 1GB to 120GB as does the Zune. And there are some players on the market which have better capabilities and cost less than the Zen x-fi.
I'm afraid this has come too late (if it ever comes) for Creative. And I think this will go the way of the Zen Share, in the bin!!! We will get another sub standard offering in the form of a Zen x-fi redesign with a Zii chip thrown in. And if Microsoft get their act together and start pushing their Zune world wide then I think Creative's time will be up.

And I just bought a 32GB X-Fi a few weeks back because they made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

As long as they manage to keep a sweet price point compared to the usual Apple offerings, as well as producing a good product, this could do well.

Creative would be well advised to really press on the marketing and tech reviewers to give this some competitive points.

I may be wrong Bushboy but I think that when they submit FCC results then you can count on the player being released since it pretty much is ready, in those papers it even says they have the production device ready and they have the manual and all they just asked not to be published for a period of 45 days, can't wait for August.

The zen share was just a rumor as far as we're concerned, Creative never released any kind of info nor was it leaked in any form. We don't know it it was the x-fi with more capabilities or a completely different player. Maybe it never went beyond the concept design.

Yes, once it's gotten to this stage, it's pretty much confirmed to be coming out. They have to send the actual player or prototype to the FCC for them to conduct tests in order to certify the device under FCC regulations. You can see some of those tests in the report. Eventually pictures of the device itself may opened to the public, but by that time Creative may have already announced it.

I kind of get the feeling Creative wants to be a kind of novelty company, unlike their past showings..kind of like how Cowon is great but very unknown in the mainstream world..

Right on, michael and omarceja. At this point, they're pouring money into certification tests, which are (to my understanding) fairly expensive and aren't for the early stage prototypes. And if you look at the FCC documents, the first test was on April 15, 2009. If they've been working on a device for the better part of three months and don't release it, I really have no faith in the company. But they will and it will be awesome and thus faith and awesomeness will return to Creative's world.

I don't think they are moving into a novelty, but finally going at the top end of the market. They have plenty of five-and-dime players available (MuVo series) but really don't have that showcase product that they wanted the X-Fi to be so badly. Now they do.

I guess, but I still have that voice in the back of my head that tells me the mainstream will automatically dub it "iPhone Clone" and not take a second glance at it.

I know it isn't logical, but people are stupid and close minded.

OMG
MY JAW FRIGGIN DROPPED 10 METERS

All I can say is
YES!!!!!!!

I can tell that it won't be cheap since it has both the Zii chip and an HD camera. But knowing Creative it won't have a heavy price tag(or so I hope).

I am so happy I didn't make a move on the D2+.

This is GREAT GREAT NEWS for not only Creative fans, but every PMP fanatic as well.

...indeed...
...and word is spreading fast...

MP4 Player? Does that mean it'll be able to play music too?

No, only video. There will be no AUX/LINE OUT/Headphone jack whatsoever. You'll have to watch your movies without sound, I'm afraid..


[ edited Jul 07 (2009) 06:02PM ]

...internet sarcasm...
...confusing people since 1997...

Just making sure. I know .MP4 is just a codec but I'm just used to hearing video player. One of the reason I liked the ZVM though was because it let you play .avi. I wonder if they still will. Maybe they're just saying .MP4 because that means less space. I'm assuming it's still a flash player so 32 GB. Still haven't been able to be pushed towards a flash player but maybe this or the Zune HD at a reasonable price will do it. A Browser would be great.

Depending on how it compares to the ZuneHD, if it comes out in time of course, then I might get it, DEPENDING on how it compares to the ZuneHD.

wow, I just don't get why it has to be Zii egg. In any case, I'll have to see it first. Creative, show me the money!!

the zii egg is the developer's version. the zii is the consumer model.

Just because the zune and the ipod touch is out and about doesn't denounce every other dap/mp4 manufacturer out there. You think cowon,iriver and samsung would have given up had that been the case. USA is only but one market saturated with marketing campaigns by the zune and the ipod. Australia for one hardly a place where you see this day in day out.

I don't think these companies would continue with any products if they weren't sure that the market wasn't there.

the FCC may have released the documents but we still need an official creative release of this ZII/EGG product. Im guessing the egg is just the name given the developer edition ie Hatching of new ideas etc but the zii itself will called something else perhaps Zii Awesome - i dunno.

Sure the Zune HD will make an impact but it certainly doesn't have an HD camera just HD radio and that definitely separates it from each other. Get this the news out there before the launch and people interested in music, Video and an easy way to upload and create videos in the product itself and you'll have a winner on your hands. At least I know I would buy it over a zune HD.

A proprietary browser is okay and all but i would be quite happy with opera mini or if it uses android whatever is the go with that.

oh, maybe this product cann't meet us soon , there are many example companies who delayed their products long time after publiced them.

Very COOL... If I Buy Then Definetly Egg one

I've got less than 45 days to save up, If it's a decent pmp I might get it to replace my touch. The novelty of having applications is wearing off now lol.

lol This is still a surprise to me. A dream come true bay bay

This looks interesting... but why touchscreen... I know, I know... I'm old-fashion that way. I like buttons. =) Still, I'm glad I didn't buy that PS3 or a new gadget. Now to save that money and wait to see if this is something I might want to buy.

Looks exactly like the back of an iPhone or iPod Touch. And I don't mean a passing resemblance either...this is more like straight rip-off.

Sooo...what's so "creative" about copying another company's design?

With the Zii chip having no ability to do 1080P and with Snapdragon and Tegra around the corner, I'm not impressed. Zii=bigger, more power hungry, and less powerful than the Tegra (which can do 1080P). Granted, it might be a little cheaper, but less performance and more power use doesn't impress me much at all.



[ edited Jul 09 (2009) 02:22AM ]

Oh, and Zii sounds like a blatant rip-off of "Wii" You can't tell me that someone at Creative just HAPPENED to come up with the name Zii without getting it from the Wii...

For their name "creative", they sure aren't being too creative these days...at least Microsoft are trying to distinguish themselves with the Zune HD instead of playing copycat.
[ edited Jul 09 (2009) 02:23AM ]

I hope I'm not misunderstanding you, but the Zune sports the Tegra and won't be able to play 1080P either. Read the fine print at [Linky].

The Zune HD supports 1080P by hardware...do a search on the Tegra chipset, it supports 1080P. It is simply the implementation in the Zune HD that does not support it. I think it should be an easy firmware hack if one really wanted to enable 1080P on the Zune since the hardware is capable.

Hmmmm... I did go look at that link that zip22 posted comparing the iphone and zii back and did go look at an actual iphone's back just to see if that back reminded me of the new Zii's supposed design and I must say, I really don't see THAT much resemblance.

The new Zii is supposedly wider in dimensions to the iphone and is not completely smooth on the sides, unlike the iphone which is smooth all the way. Also, my friend's iphone has a concave back and I have no idea if the new Zii has a concave back or if it'll look more like a the Creative Zen except slimmer and skinnier.

The way I look at it. It's merely a rectangle with curved sides like many other objects. Surely the basic rectangle with corners wasn't created with the birth of the iphone?

And I really still can't tell one rectangle with curved corners from another. Till today, I still can't tell an iphone from an LG from a Samsung if I simply glanced at it. i seriously have to look for the logo or look at the OS or the front of the product before I know. I still receive dirty looks from my friends when I mis-identify their device. So much for the ultra unique rectangular curved corners device that is the iphone. To me, it's just another rectangular device with curved corners.

It's not just the curved rectangular corners. Look at the location of the camera, the separate section on the bottom (below the line), the location of the button on top, the location of the dock ports, the buttons on the side. Even the presence of "Zii" on the back seems to be taken from a similar design feature on the iPhone.

All of those closely resemble features from the iPhone, much more so than other rectangular touchscreen phones do. And the first-gen iPhone had a flat back, so whether the Zii has a concave back or not is a moot point.

Yes, many phones these days are rectangular with curved sides, but they do not draw so much inspiration from the iPhone. I don't find it difficult at all to distinguish between an LG Dare or Samsung Memoir and an iPhone. Those certainly don't resemble the iPhone as much as the Zii seems to.

I'm not saying that competition isn't good...if the Zii turns out to be a good player, then it would be great competition for the likes of the iPod Touch. However, with a name like "Creative" you would think that the company would at least try to differentiate themselves a bit on design...
[ edited Jul 09 (2009) 07:56AM ]

Well, you see I'm not that familiar with any of these phones, the iphone included. So for someone like me, it's simply a rectangular with curved sides.

I personally find all these phones too large for my liking hence why I never bothered to familiarize myself with them. I'm hoping this Zii isn't a phone. If it's a player with a HD cam like the Vado HD then I would be interested because I wanted to get a Vado HD and an upgrade to my fat 60gig Creative Zen PMP would be great.

You may not find it difficult to distinguish but I seriously have not been able to tell the difference at one glance. Today I was staring a these gadgets in the train on my way back to see if I could tell from a short distance what touchscreen devices some people were using and I still can't tell one rectangle from another. I can't believe that I'm THAT strange.

And why does Creative have to be MORE creative than everyone else if they have a name like Creative. Then shouldn't Apple be growing apple trees since their name is Apple? Sure it would be good if Creative is creative but I think that that should be so for all companies not just Creative.

I agree that it looks a lot like the iphone but it's also true that when it comes to widescreen touchscreen devices there aren't to many options in design. Like kiasukid said, they al basically are rectangles.
The location of the port is kind of obvious, don't you think? ALL devices I've seen have the port on the bottom. All creative's players have been like that and I don't think why they should change it just because it resembles the itouch, the same goes for the logo on the back, all creative players, at least from the vision series and onward have the logo exactly in the middle of the back of the player. this one has apparently an SD card, something an ipod owner can only dream off and the line at the botton it does look like the fist gen iphone. When we see a color photo of the front and back we'll see how much they look alike, right now that is just a sketch and we cannot say much about it other than speculation on that exactly those areas are, for instance, the bottom of the player seems to have a proprietary connector and two other jacks plus the one on the left and the one on top which seems like the power button. this one doesn't seem to have a volume button which sucks by the way. so all in all I would say it has a 50-50 resemblance to the iphone/itouch, I woudn't say it's an exact copy. We'll have to wait and see.

Oh and by the way, I do own an iphone 3G so I can tell from one touchscreen device from another.

[ edited Jul 09 (2009) 10:07AM ]

I think we're all getting too carried away with the design. I personally don't care, but seriously, all we've seen is the BACK of the player in a black and white diagram. What really matters is the software on the player and the functionality. We don't even know all of the official specs yet, but yet some of you are blasting it already. Wait until every last bit of info is out the door before making a judgement about whether this is better or worse than the ZuneHD, P3, iPod Touch, or S9. Personally, I think this will be awesome, but I'm not finalizing it until I really know how it is.

That's what worry most of us, don't you think? The software part. Creative has never been exactly the best in the software department nor at adding features with firmware updates.
Quick question, the zii chip supports many video and audio formats but to be able to use them Creative has to pay a license fee right? do you think they will?

It would be interesting to see the similarities and differences of both the zms05 and the tegra chip, anyone got the info?

The Tegra 650 Specs:

* Processing ARM11 MPCore @ 800Mhz,16/32-bit LP-DDR NAND Flash support
* Audio/ Video Processing:1080p H.264 decode, 720p H.264 encode
Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA and MP3. JPEG encode and decode acceleration
* Imaging Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support, Integrated ISP, Advanced imaging features
* True dual-display support
Maximum display resolutions supports:
- 1080p (1920×1080) HDMI 1.3
- WSXGA+ (1680×1050) LCD
- SXGA (1280×1024) CRT
- NTSC/PAL TV output

Haven't seen the specs on the Zii yet so I can't give all of them. I know the chip size is a little bigger and the Zii can only do up to 720P. The Tegra also uses less power than the Zii chip.

[ edited Jul 09 (2009) 12:21PM ]

thanks, I guess the only way to have a palpable sense of competition between both chips is when both zune hd and the zii are released to the public

996gt2:

Single Zii playing 1080p HD movie:
[Linky]

Oh and the spec of the chip can be found here:

[Linky]

Datasheet:
[Linky]

996gt2:

Where do you find Tegra is using less power than Zii? And where do you find the comparison of chip size? I can't find it...

He is using nvidia marketing numbers, 25 days of audio playback in a netbook and some rumored ZuneHD specs like 5x the amount of the current iPod Touch (7 days-180hours).

Just to prove a point, I went and dug up some old picture of the Creative Vision W and placed it on top of the picture comparing the relative dimensions of the zii and the iphone.

[Linky]

I don't have technical details like exact measurements etc but I did go and measure how long my Zen Vision W was and it was around about there.

If you look at the picture I did, you'll be able to tell that a rectangle with curved corners isn't exactly revolutionary. It's even more ordinary when rendered in 2D.

The Creative Vision W has the logo right smack in the middle, like the Zii, except with ripples. And it had that little line at the bottom which was for the battery release. Like the line at the bottom of the Zii and that of the iphone.

The only difference is the placement of the camera. Of course the W didn't have a camera but if I were to place a tiny circle on a rectangle, I would most likely place it top left and not top right as well. Of course I could place it in the middle but there are only so many places one can place a circle in the top half of the rectangle.

We know that the W looks drastically different from an iphone and I would never say it looked the same, except unless of course I was in a train starring at some rectangular object in someone's hands. =) Kidding. The W wouldn't be slim enough so even i wouldn't make that mistake.

BUT my point is, in 2D a rectangle with curved corners is just simply a rectangle with curved corners. I really don't see that much similarity with the iphone. If anything most of the Zen line is really all about rectangles with curved corners if we simply look at the back of each player and it is even more so if we imagine them in 2D.

As for the specs of the chip? I certainly can't say. But if this thing is like the Vado HD and can be customized to play as many different codecs as there are out there, can take virtually any file without conversion and has great battery life then I'm happy. 720p is good enough for me because if I get something like that I won't use is as a primary player to my telly. My WD HD Player does that nicely enough. Shooting 1080p will also take up too much space and I wouldn't need such high quality video for home videos either.
[ edited Jul 09 (2009) 09:11PM ]

Exactly kiasukid. Creative has been making rectangular players with rounded corners for a long long time. Zen Vision M, Zen, Zen X-Fi, Zen Vision W. So it was actually to be expected for even a touch screen player to be that way. Could they have designed it differently? Yeah, but they must've decided to stick to the old designs, and that is okay. And indeed the Tegra is more powerful, but the Zii PMP may have features that make up for it. But too early to tell of course. All we know right off the bat now is that there's an HD camera.
And I do sound like I'm repeating what kiasukid said, but it's because I agree. Especially with the last paragraph he wrote. High def videos on any PMP are space hoggers anyway.

kiasukid, as your addition to my diagram illustrates, the vision W does not have the same curve or the same relative dimensions as the iphone. the curves and relative hieght and width of the iphone/ipod touch and the zii match up nearly perfectly. the vision W is wider and the curves have a smaller radius.
[Linky]
[Linky]

listen, i wasn't complaining about who was copying whom, but in the chatbox, everyone was berating people for even suggesting it. when you look at the two pictures, it is very clear that the back of the two devices look spot on.
[ edited Jul 10 (2009) 12:24PM ]

...waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh...

I still don't get how they can be "spot on" when one device is clearly quite a bit wider than the other.

The location of the camera isn't "spot on" either. "Spot on" will need to be exact.

Also, I went back to my psd work file and moved the W layer to match the curves on both the Zii and the iphone. And what do you know? All the curves have almost the same radius. IMO, the eye just seems to think the curves are smaller on the W because the W is wider than the iphone by more than even the Zii is.

Also are we talking "spot on" or "near perfect" or "relative"? Because if we're talking relative dimensions then certainly in my illustration, the Zii is closer in width to the W than to the iphone.

I wasn't trying to say who was copying whom either. I was trying to illustrate that a 2d rendering of a rectangular object with curved corners is very deceptive.

If we look at the back of the W in 2d as illustrated in my diagram, surely you couldn't have imagined that the actual object would look SOOO different from that 2d illustration. If we went by that 2d illustration, alone, these 3 objects don't look THAT much different.

If we are to make any judgement calls, we should make them after these objects have been released. Before we have photos of the real Zii, it's just a rectangular object with curved corners to me.

And the truth is, even after it's released, my shape impaired eyes will still view them as rectangular objects with curves. I just saw a samsung phone today in the cafe and thought it was the iphone. Maybe it is just me.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree. We're never going to agree on this issue and I think we've pretty much reached the end of the line for this discussion. So I will leave it as that. cheers
[ edited Jul 10 (2009) 02:54PM ]

quite a bit wider? you must not be looking at my diagram correctly. in my original diagram, they are on top of each other but separated by 0.25" in my second diagram, they are right on top of each other. they have the same dimensions in the diagram. the reason i was using relative is because we don't know for sure the dimensions of the zii. my diagram shows that they match up almost perfectly. the zii could be a bit larger or smaller, but the relationship between the height and width is identical.

Ahhh... sorry. I actually did read your diagram wrong.

Well, then I decided that I needed to do another test. So I went back to the internet and found one nokia touchcreen phone and a samsung touchscreen phone, took out all the detail and merely kept the outline and then scaled it down in size (keeping the proportions similar) and then placed it over the picture of the Zii and I also get a near perfect fit.

Of course in reality, the Nokia and the Samsung aren't the same dimensions but since we don't know the dimensions of the Zii, then, this test is as valid as the one using the picture of the ipod.

Making judgements based on 2d outlines of objects just isn't accurate. Now I feel a bit better about my inability to tell these rectangular curved corner touchscreen devices apart. =)

[Linky]

But seriously, unless I feel that I must write about this again, this will be my last post. I have exams coming up. Gotta study.

cheers

Let's just move on from these design discussions. Features are what we should really focus on.

I'll try to photoshop this beast.

It wont work if they don't market it well. They need compelling features like a SenseMe playlist creator like on Sony Ericsson phones, A music store, flashy, easy to use interface, and good adds. I hope to God they don't call it the Zii- it sounds like they're trying to use Nintendo's momentum to compete with apple. BIG mistake, no one wants an iTouch knock-off with a Wii knock-off for a name. I LOVE CREATIVE, but they're terrible at marketing. I've said that for the past few years. They still suck. They've lost all brand recognition because every pmp they come out with looks completely different than the last. Hopefully they'll market their product well, it's the ONLY way for them to compete. Seriously, who doesn't love apple commercials? They introduce new, catchy songs, awesome visuals, and they sell the product. All you get when you buy an Apple is a name and a decent pmp. All you get with creative is a great pmp with no name for itself. Creative can really compete, all it takes is clever marketing and a decent product that can set itself apart from apple's. Here is what I would advertise (keep in mind I'm just a Creative Obsessed 16 year old)
Name- CELL (advertises stem cell computing, unique, nothing out there with a name like it unlike Zii (Wii) and Zen (Zune). the general public isn't very observant. I tell people I have a zen and they instantly think of Microsoft or a Microsoft rip-off)
FEATURES in addition to what we know is there already:

-Photo/Video editor, I'm talking basic, something like what's on the DSi

-Adaptive Shuffle- learns what you like in special shuffle mode, shuffling music you like. Does this by allowing user to give song thumbs up or thumbs down, then uses audio information such as tempo/genre to only play music you want to hear

-Aura- use to select how you want your music- ex. happy mood, fast tempo, sad mood, slow tempo (seen it work, have Ericsson walkman phone with this feature, called sense me, works very well)

-Shake controls like ericsson walkman phones- no more fiddling with buttons when your hands are full or while your running

-SmartSound- Identifies genre of music, selects appropriate EQ for maximum enjoyment of song

Why this works you may ask? It makes the player seem "Alive" which brings us to the name. Cells are constantly changing and growing, just like your music library. People need a pmp that can grow and adapt to their changing music tastes. That makes it unique, compelling, and cool. If it could do all that, then Zii would certainly change everything that we know (about pmps at least).

Advertisement- Meet CELL, the world's smartest personal media player. It adapts to your ever-changing music tastes. It learns what websites you visit most and makes them easily accessible using the built in web tool. Got a moment? How about a quick game of tetris. Cell's motion sensing technology makes games more immersive than ever. How 'bout a quick run? CELL's unique motion technology makes changing songs even easier with quick flick left or right to change songs, flick up or down to adjust the volume. Feeling blue? CELL can generate a play list for any mood- with just the tap of the screen. (slogan next) PEOPLE ARE SMART. CELL IS SMARTER. EVOLUTION JUST GOT FUN. CELL... adapt

Plus, they should make it so the software and ui can be changed and updated via software updates so if they don't do something right, they can fix or improve it. That way the product can be made easier to use. If the first ui is no good, you can update it and get a new one that's easier and more functional. If you support your product, you build up brand loyalty, and people are more likely to come back to you.

Also- they should make it in a ton of colors like they used to. It's great marketing and makes you more of an individual. First add could be like a rubiks cube of the mp3 players moving all around doing different tasks, then imploding into one- the zii can do all those things
sorry for the rant thanks for reading it!

Hopefully creative is reading our suggestions. Let me know what you think about my ideas!
[ edited Jul 12 (2009) 01:19PM ]

it would be nice if they offer it in nice colors, and I mean nice, not the toy like colors of the ZVM. the metallic ones of the neeon series looked much better.

Nice ideas CELL...

At least the Zii wouldn't require OS X to code a game >.>

I might take a stab at it if it's released
[ edited Jul 18 (2009) 06:56AM ]

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