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| Varuna
Feb 27 (2008) 09:31PM  | Yup !!... All signs DO look Promising.. But they arent anything official. Also, Flash has many benifits .. so its probably time to change.. SD Expansion would be very benifitial. Touchscreen cannot be fancy unless something like Multi touch, plus tactile controls are of much use practically. X-Fi is a neat awesome feature, that would probably benifit them a lot ! .. good Luck Creative on that ! Now, WiFi. I wonder what can we get out of WiFi that can be 'revolutionary', or that will 'blow your socks away'. Here are my guesses that are currently there and possible : - Net Browsing (to the max) - File Sharing (like P2 and probably Zune like) - Phone Calls (VOIP), (Now that they have the inPerson) . - Remote Desktop : Access your Library through anywhere where Wifi is there, You wont have to rely on dedicated memory (too much fiction, but possible) - WiFi + X-Fi, possibility of Sharing the 'MUSIC' ?... UpConverted version of X-Fi?... These are my guesses, probably Just Guesses. |
| 996gt2
Feb 27 (2008) 09:39PM  | I wonder how the X-Fi will affect battery life, since EQ on current players tends to decrease battery life by 10-20% or more. I really hope the touchscreen will support some kind of multitouch/gesturing functionality, but with the patents Apple is trying to pass on this technology this could well be a pipe dream by the time the Zen Share comes out. As far as WiFi goes, I really hope Creative uses a full featured browser like Apple has done...maybe a mobile version of Opera? Without internet access, anything else with WiFi is pretty much a letdown, especially considering that there probably will not be enough Zen Shares around to use the sharing functionality that often. The iPod Touch can already support remote desktop via a VNC app, so the Zen should really pack on features such as this, especially since it's basically coming out a WHOLE year after the Touch. |
| ssjmichael
Feb 27 (2008) 09:45PM  | Just on paper, the combination of a touchscreen, WiFi, and X-Fi sounds like a killer blow to battery life. All that's missing is Bluetooth. I'd honestly be surprised if X-Fi was really added to the Share since Creative had a hard time getting battery efficiency without factors like WiFi and a touchscreen. |
| CardsFan
Feb 27 (2008) 09:49PM  | Agree with Michael, wifi is a battery killer. Can't imagine they would have wifi and Xfi together. |
| Varuna
Feb 27 (2008) 09:50PM | How do you know ? It's been a long time.. and DAP's are getting lots of shifts... So Its natural for some one to experiment with all those stuff... It does seem weird for all those things to go in 1 package.. But its also been year(s)... |
| ltTHREE
Feb 27 (2008) 09:51PM  | if they would, i imagine they would probably include a great battery or a removeable one, and the player probably will be a little thicker aas usual it is a lil strange. mebe stuff in the dock? [ edited Feb 27 (2008) 09:52PM ] |
| MusicLifeSON
Feb 27 (2008) 09:51PM  | i doubt it'll have multitouch, 996gt2 don't worry, normal touchscreens are just fine- don't think that they're bad in anyway. My N800's touchscreen is amazing, and i would expect this new Creative's to be so also. [ edited Feb 27 (2008) 09:52PM ] |
| Varuna
Feb 27 (2008) 09:55PM | Agree with MusicLifeSON , LT3 , It shouldnt really be fat.. thats a turn off  ..Something as much as the Zune.. or a bit thicker.. but SHOULD NOT Exceed that.. LOL btw, WiXFi sounds funny  |
| rockinamigo14
Feb 27 (2008) 09:55PM  | web browser is the only wifi that i'm really interested in. i will be anxious to see what Creative has in store. |
| Kaze
Feb 28 (2008) 12:04AM | 996gt2: It's possible that Creative and Apple have entered into cross-licensing. Whenever companies get into patent brawls and settle out of court, they typically do this. Not saying that this has happened, just raising the possibility. Personally, I think software shouldn't even be patentable. |
| Xenon2434
Feb 28 (2008) 12:09AM  | To tell you the truth, I am totally ok with flash memory. As long as it is at least 32gb. Who knows, maybe theyll be the first to 64??? 32, plus the addition of an SD card is perfect for my needs, although, I know some of you have 100+ gb's |
| damio
Feb 28 (2008) 12:15AM | they wouldn't include anything that will drain battery life so much that people wouldn't buy it sounds good so far |
| ltTHREE
Feb 28 (2008) 12:16AM | if creative follows up to the designs of the stones and the ZEN, this "new player" shouldn't be too bad in terms of appearance. but i wouldnt judge any player by its appearance either. |
| 00ZEN
Feb 28 (2008) 12:22AM  | Oh my I hope this is something worth waiting for!!! I hope it's not thick like a zen vision m...and I definitely hope that the battery life can be resonable with X-fi and/or wi-fi turned on. We'll see XD It's also pretty obvious that sooner or later Creative will come up with a way to combat the iPod Touch. I know this is still a rumor, but even if this is not true, it will happen someday. Other DAP companies will also come up with a competitor to the touch, and of course, Creative is one of the companies who top the list. [ edited Feb 28 (2008) 12:31AM ] |
| Boze
Feb 28 (2008) 12:43AM  | wifi is completely overated in mp3plsayers. i never use internet on my touch because if there is wifi, there is a computer. i only use it do download apps from the installer(jailbroken) and to transfer files onto it. edit: now that i think about it this may be the reason the zens just got a price drop....hmmm [ edited Feb 28 (2008) 12:46AM ] |
| duckie008
Feb 28 (2008) 01:54AM | It sounds as if it is going to be a flash player, which means 32gb max capacity, which means it's not going to be any good for me however good the player is. People's music/video collection grows, so we will always need more memory! |
| moorey
Feb 28 (2008) 02:03AM  | First of all, i dont see any reason why Creative wouldnt make a 64GB version, either on release or in the near future. Just like almost all other players, a higher capacity version will be released sooner or later. Battery life: yeah....i hope its alright, but 15h music, 4h video is great for me. Thickness: Same as ZVM would be fine. Thinner is good, but not too thin. X-Fi: awesome - gimme. Wi-Fi: only if it has a web browser, otherwise its pointless Touch screen: nice, got to be 3" or bigger though, preferably 4.3" I really hope it brings something new to the market, and not just be a iTouch clone - that would annoy me. I really want them to release a decent successor. I'll probably not buy it though, since my ZVM is going fine and i have other things to spend money on. [ edited Feb 28 (2008) 02:06AM ] |
| Suz
Feb 28 (2008) 03:24AM | Interesting. Since flash players are now available in 32 gigs (which is plenty for me), I wouldn't miss the bulk and fragility of hard drives. Say what you will about iPods, but I was very impressed after goofing around with the Touch. I doubt the Share's interface will use similar zooming, scrolling and "pinching" since Apple is anal. Even so, I'd be happy if it's on par with the P2, which is also very impressive. On the downside, this could be expensive as all hell. [ edited Feb 28 (2008) 03:26AM ] |
| moorey
Feb 28 (2008) 04:18AM | whats the deal with RED text? |
| llc00ljd
Feb 28 (2008) 04:21AM | So since the odds are the since this flash memory won't be going to far past 30 GB i'll be getting the Zune 80GB? |
| moorey
Feb 28 (2008) 04:48AM | i say 64GB by july |
| Danneh
Feb 28 (2008) 10:31AM  | Tbh, If this is true about the No HDD, then It wont compete with the Classic (Might with the touch, but id rather have a classic @ 80gb/160 rather than a sd bassed player at max 64gb...) Im starting to not like creative... they didnt even bother replying to two emails i sent them about dead pixels in my bros zen screen, seems like they dont care what people want anymore, seems liek there only focused on what they want to add to the player... they should do a poll or something on there forums, 64 gb is way to small for some people, and I would soon like to store alot more files and vids on my Zen, but its only 30gb so I cant. This is good news, about the wifi and x-fi, but the HDD bit is very very bad news. Daniel |
| Boze
Feb 28 (2008) 01:05PM | 90% of the population does not need more than 32gb. i have yet to meet anyone who has over 5000 songs. the only people i know are people who i talk to on forums. |
| duckie008
Feb 28 (2008) 02:36PM | "90% of the population does not need more than 32gb. i have yet to meet anyone who has over 5000 songs. the only people i know are people who i talk to on forums." - Boze I must be in that '10%' that do need more than 32gb. Well, more than 60gb actually. I've currently got more than 6000 songs in high quality and it's full. What are you going to do when you fill your measly 32gb?? Delete your old songs? Why?? It's easier to make a high capacity HD player than have a player with gimmicks like x-fi and wi-fi and touchscreen. To me, they are not the features which make me buy a player. [ edited Feb 28 (2008) 02:38PM ] |
| Danneh
Feb 28 (2008) 03:07PM | Duckie is right Boze, and my Old english teacher had a 40gb Zen touch, and was filled to the brim with 64kbps music, he had 15998 songs on it... (he then gave it to me because he got a ZVM 60gb.) See (I screenshoted it, Cause I couldnt believe it... also I renamed it Dan's Zen lol); [ image disabled ] Daniel |
| McNamara
Feb 28 (2008) 03:19PM  | if this has 80 Gb then I'll return my Zune 80 and get one of these...otherwise, I'll just admire it from affar |
| 00ZEN
Feb 28 (2008) 03:37PM | I think Creative should also come up with a "classic" Player in the near future. I'm thinking of a design related to the original ZEN but with a higher capacity hard drive, and yes I do know that Creative supposedly don't want to make new hard drive players anymore. I just think that it would be nice for Creative to do so, or any player with a Zen Micro like compact design with higher capacity and functionality would do. |
| organero
Feb 28 (2008) 07:15PM  | "90% of the population does not need more than 32gb. i have yet to meet anyone who has over 5000 songs. the only people i know are people who i talk to on forums." I have 72 Gb of music. I am music performance student. My music collection is still small if you consider all classical music. |
| CardsFan
Feb 28 (2008) 07:45PM | Most people don't need that much space. You can't use people who frequent forums as an example because most people don't visit forums |
| TGA
Feb 28 (2008) 07:51PM  | wow this sound too good to be true! if it ever comes out, i'm going to get a job anywhere just to get it! |
| Luuk
Feb 28 (2008) 08:09PM | webbrowser would be awesome. x-fi is cool too. if itdoes actually make your music sound better (I don't have any experience with x-fi) furthermore: I don't know why people need 80gb of space on a mp3player. I have a mp3 library of over 95gb but my mp3player doesn't have to be over 32gb of space (if it could be it's nice ofcourse). Why do so many of you need 80b of space? |
| Varuna
Feb 28 (2008) 08:21PM | Luuk, Its mainly cause Every one wants to Carry their Whole Music Collection regargless of even If they know most of the songs. Also, the concept of 'Sync'. Also, people dont want to keep ransfering their music.. But oh well, its about the ease and simplicity in the mass. |
| luislasports
Feb 28 (2008) 10:15PM  | i would love a crapload of gb's...my music is constantly growing...day by day...and i want to carry vids too...i would love to see at least 80 gb at the least... when i had my 30 gb zvm...i was constantly deleting it and it pissed me off. i too would love a browser...that would be awesome. |
| moorey
Feb 29 (2008) 01:10AM | the percentage of people on any forum with lots of music is far higher then in the general public. just by being here you are showing knowledge and skills that most people dont have. i bet that 95% of DAP users have less then 32 GB of music, hence making larger capacity players a bad financial decision, especially when your company only has a small market share. but that doesnt mean we dont want a 64Gb player... |
| duckie008
Feb 29 (2008) 02:22AM | "i bet that 95% of DAP users have less then 32 GB of music, hence making larger capacity players a bad financial decision, especially when your company only has a small market share." 95% of DAP users don't need X-fi or Wi-fi. Is that a good financial decision to make one? Our music collection will always grow... I think creative should make a 32/64gb flash player with all the fancy stuff on it like the iPod Touch and also make another player which is an updated version of the ZVM with higher capacity say, 160/320gb without the fancy stuff like the iPod Classic. This would cater for both the 90% and 10% of the population! (I wonder who did a research into these figures?) The new Flash player would probably cost $600 and the HD Player $300. I definitely know which one i would buy. Doubling in price for Wi-fi, X-fi and touchscreen with LESS space, is it worth it? Na.. |
| PainLiesBeneath
Feb 29 (2008) 03:01AM  | Holy crap. X3 Now I wanna sell my Zen Vision W. lol And save up for this...even if they are rumors so far. XD I'm actually looking forward for this.  |
| moorey
Feb 29 (2008) 06:13AM | "95% of DAP users don't need X-fi or Wi-fi. Is that a good financial decision to make one?" Yes, because it is a marketing tool. I'm not saying I dont want a 64GB player, but for Creative it doesnt make that much sense |
| oracle19
Feb 29 (2008) 07:54AM | I hate Apple just as much as anyone, but the 160GB iPod Classic is continuing to look like my next choice if something happens to my ZVM. |
| zip22
Feb 29 (2008) 12:41PM | moorey, adding capacity is relatively cheap. implementing wifi and xfi requires a lot of time, work, and money. the marketing aspects of the two scenarios is debatable. [ edited Feb 29 (2008) 12:41PM ] |
| Boze
Feb 29 (2008) 02:18PM | some people will buy an mp3player for x-fi though and for wifi so that is a right decision. space is not an issue for most people. |
| mdscriber3
Feb 29 (2008) 02:20PM  | I'm looking for decent video support (more like the ZVM) if I go with a device such as this. I've been really happy with my 16GB Zen for size, sound quality, screen quality and ease of use. Touch devices (such as the iPod Touch and iPhone) throw me off. I'm not totally sold on a touch device. I like to be able to get to what I want with a satisfying click and be done with it. I do love the feature set of the iPod Touch and I'm sure all that and more will be possible on the new Creative player. I just am not a fan of touch screens. I fumble around on my husband's iPhone all the time and get nothing but frustrated as I have 0 patience.  Pam |
| zip22
Feb 29 (2008) 02:28PM | Boze, like duckie, i'm curious where you got your figures from. |
| CardsFan
Feb 29 (2008) 04:12PM | I don't need the space for music as much as I need it for videos. If it's gonna have a nice big screen, it would be nice to have the space to have some movies and vids on it. |
| Larryi5
Feb 29 (2008) 07:09PM  | Size and Video Codecs are 2 big things im looking for. I have a ZVW and i love it however its to big to carry to school and stuff. I bring it on occasion and I usually use a small crappy mp3 player i bought years ago. Id get a ZEN however im very disappointed with its video support. Only a certain resolution works and 2 codecs? psh i want just as much support as my zvw. If they can get something like the ZEN with better codecs, better SD card support, and a good amount of space id be happy. Wi/X-Fi is not a main thing for me. If they made the next ZEN able to play x264 files id get it instantly :p |
| Boze
Mar 01 (2008) 01:26AM | i am just estimating. i done 'get' them from anywhere except for my daily life. i just have never met anyone with so many songs. now that i think about it i dont think x-fi would appeal to too many people. many people use crappy earbuds anyways so its not like they care about sound quality. everyone likes wfi cause it has lots of potential and its 'cool'. internet on my ipod touch isnt that amzing. i would rather use a laptop(cost as much as one). the iphone would be better for internet but edge screws it up. |
| ScionoftheFlame
Mar 01 (2008) 02:10AM | Is it just me, or does this just sound less like product details, and more like a wish list with no credible backing? Ah well, at least it's got people talking. |
| Dopamino
Mar 01 (2008) 10:08AM  | Remember people, this will NOT be just an MP3 player. It will play videos too, and for that it will need a lot of space. It better have a 64 GB version. |
| CardsFan
Mar 01 (2008) 08:32PM | Boze, you don't like using your Touch for surfing? I find it extremely nice. Why would the Iphone be better, it's the same thing? Agree about the earphones thing; I can't believe how many people I see with Ipods and they're still using the horrible, white earbuds that come with it. Those things sound horrible. How can people stand to use them? |
| Bitshitter
Mar 01 (2008) 10:28PM  | zip22 wrote ... Boze, like duckie, i'm curious where you got your figures from. lol...this coming from someone who's primary DAP for the last 2-3 years is/was a iPod Shuffle.....  The Apple iPod is well known as being the industry leader in the mp3 device market. But the iPod did not truly take over the market until the 4GB and 6GB iPod Mini was introduced: until only recently it was STILL the highest selling iPod ever made. Apple still sells the larger HDD iPods by the ton. However, the iPod Shuffle replaced the Mini as the highest selling iPod in the lineup. Then the Nano replaced the Shuffle. The HDD iPod (until recently the only iPod made by Apple with capacities above 8GB) has been all back-of-the-bus for quite some time. But this has been common knowledge for quite some time, now........do we really need to see documented figures???? [ edited Mar 01 (2008) 10:31PM ] |
| moorey
Mar 01 (2008) 10:45PM | does Apple tell us what percentage of players sold are what model? because it would be interesting to see just how many 160Gb players are sold |
| dautolover
Mar 02 (2008) 12:46AM | i dont know about the SHARE guys. the name kind of implies that you're going to be able to share media with other Share users, perhaps the same way its done with the Zune. which makes me wonder if they're thinking of advertising like crazy in order to make Creative more popular (which isnt that much; i've rarely seen people with creatives). everyone knows how hard it was for the Zune in terms of its "Social"... If the touchscreen and wifi are going to be the main features in this player, then i believe that it's mostly going to be a competitor to the ipod touch, not the ipod classic; thus, meaning that creative will no longer be making harddrive players, meaning that flash will thriump, as it did with the ZEN [ edited Mar 02 (2008) 12:47AM ] |
| Zensen
Mar 02 (2008) 01:26AM  | perhaps you can go online wifi from anywhere in the world to your computer and get your music off there. that's an idea? perhaps hook it up to some online storage area and share amongst users - now thats going a bit far Im all for wifi. I don't care for touch screen. If it does come with a touch screen. I sure hope there's some tactile buttons for the usual, stop play, shortcut etc. Hopefully they will be a way to TV-OUT as that was always something I enjoyed with my ZVM and hopefully it'll use the same cord I bought for it - Shame it don't look great on widescreen so hopefully this will come out with this and do it justice. Can't say I'm a big fan of the name Share... My biggest concern though is battery life. I really want it to have a good double the life of the my zen vision M. It was almost the reason I got the zen V for travelling or even the ZEN - Also No DONGLE!!! [ edited Mar 02 (2008) 01:29AM ] |
| moorey
Mar 02 (2008) 02:01AM | Well i think the dongle is dead. It wasnt on the ZVW or the ZEN. And i'm fairly sure we can forget a replaceable battery |
| CardsFan
Mar 02 (2008) 07:56PM | Yeah, dongle is a bad idea. Never liked it much |
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